danielle loducaSOME ATHEISTS OFTEN mock the faithful—the ones who claim that merely by believing in a concept, or inheriting the “correct” label, they are automatically saved. This idea of self-righteous exclusivity, people who are sure that they alone are entitled to Paradise, while everyone else is doomed to everlasting punishment, is one of atheists’ leading contentions with religion.
However, there is no such entitlement in Islam. In fact, the Quran levies a challenge to those who make this claim:
Say, “If the home of the Hereafter with God is for you alone and not the [other] people, then wish for death, if you are truthful. [Sûrat Al-Baqarah, 2:94]
It’s a logical argument, and implies that this concept of exclusivity by entitlement is antithetical to the nature of salvation in Islam. Surely, if any given person or group was certain that they were exclusively eligible and guaranteed to “go to heaven” or to “a better place” upon death, what interest would they have in hanging around on Earth? Why toil away in an existence laced with disease, struggle, loss, pain and fatigue if they could be somewhere superior?
Muslims Can Go to Hell?!
Muslims will go to hell – to the extent that none of us can afford to sit idly by, expecting success on the other side of death’s door. In one example, the Prophet ﷺ said:
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Click here to supportWhen God has finished judging mankind, and wants to bring whomever He wills out of Hell by His Mercy, He will order angels to bring forth those upon whom He wishes to bestow His mercy of the people who never associated anything in worship with God, and who said, “Lâ ilâha illa Allah.” The angels will recognize them in Hell, and will know them by the mark of sujûd on their foreheads. (Muslim)
Those marks of sujûd signify salah – they were Muslims whose practice of prayer left marks on their foreheads. With this in mind, instead of feeling smug and secure, we are alert to the catastrophe of Hell-fire.
Beyond Wishful Thinking
In fact, whoever surrenders himself entirely to God while being a doer of good will have his reward with his Lord. There will be no fear over them, nor will they grieve. [Sûrat Al-Baqarah, 2:112]
If you want to be “saved” according to Islam, you have to actually have a record of doing good. You’ve got to walk the walk: prove your faith through actions.
Good deeds are not defined by one’s personal opinion, but by what the Creator has outlined as good. Evils have also been delineated for our convenience, by virtue of God’s Mercy, so that we may abstain from them. The alarm prompted by knowing that we could wind up in Hell propels us to do more good, avoid evil and to constantly check the status of our hearts.
For God’s Sake!
Islam goes a step beyond outward actions. The Muslim must be a good person inside and out. Good deeds that are not backed up by sincerity are useless before Allah. For example, the Quran describes charity given disingenuously:
O you who believe, do not nullify your charities with insult and harm; like the one who spends his money in vanity to show the people, and he does not believe in God and the Last Day. His example is like that of a smooth stone upon which is dust and is hit by a downpour that leaves it bare. They are unable [to keep] anything of what they have earned. [Sûrat Al-Baqarah, 2:264]
Worse than our deeds being washed away like dust, wrong intentions can lead even the most pious-looking person straight to Hell. In a qudsi ḥadîth, it is explained that their artificiality will be revealed, and they will be the first to be punished. Abû Hurairah heard the Messenger of Allah ﷺ say about one of them:
He will be brought and God will make known to him His favors and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: ‘And what did you do about them?’ He will say: ‘I studied [religious] knowledge and I taught it and I recited the Quran for Your sake.’ He will say: ‘You have lied – you did but study [religious] knowledge that it might be said: ‘He is learned.’ And you recited the Quran that it might be said: ‘He is a reciter.’ And so it was said. Then, he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. (Muslim)
We’re not talking about people who call themselves Muslim but fail to practice. No, we’re talking about seemingly devout Muslims who will be the first to be thrown into Hell. It’s not enough to do good deeds; we’ve got to be sure we do them with sincere intent, to please God.
Suicide Missions and the Promise of Paradise
Richard Dawkins, famous atheist and author of several books including The God Delusion, often conflates all religions, and was reassured of his accuracy in so doing on 9/11. He went beyond rejecting the notion of an exclusive afterlife and calling it vain and presumptuous. Based on his understanding of terrorist attacks—especially those involving suicide missions carried out by so-called Muslims, he said:
Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense… September 11th changed all that. Revealed faith is not harmless nonsense, it can be lethally dangerous nonsense. Dangerous, because it gives people unshakable confidence in their own righteousness. Dangerous because it gives them false courage to kill themselves, which automatically removes normal barriers to killing others. Dangerous because it teaches enmity to others labeled only by a difference of inherited tradition.” (Richard Dawkins in The Guardian)
Is Dawkins correct about the existence of Muslim terrorists eager to die, that their bad intent is an indictment of Islam? Their willingness to blow themselves up must be linked to what we discussed at the outset: believing that they are guaranteed paradise and therefore wishing for death. Is Dawkins correct in his analysis?
On the contrary, the question should be: Are the suicide bombers justified in their certainty according to the sources of Islam? Dawkins’ statement feigns knowledge of Islam. Unfortunately, both Dawkins and the so-called “Islamic” suicide bombers are ignorant of the facts.
Triple Violation
1- Civilian Casualties
The Quran states:
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Surely, Allah loves not aggressors. [Sûrat Al-Baqarah, 2:190]
Ibn ʿAbbâs explained the above verse further, saying:
Do not kill women, children, old men, or whoever comes to you with peace and restrains his hand from fighting, for if you did so you would have certainly transgressed. (Ṭabari)
2- Suicide
Muslims who commit suicide will reside in Hell. This is true even for someone fighting in a just war: Abû Hurairah said:
We were in the company of Allah’s Apostle in a battle, and he remarked about a man, saying, “He is from the people of the Fire.” When the battle started, the man fought violently till he got wounded. Somebody said, “O Allah’s Apostle! The man whom you described as being from the people of the Fire fought violently today and died.” The Prophet said, “He will go to the Fire.” Some people were on the point of doubting. Meanwhile, someone said that he was still alive but severely wounded. When night fell, he lost patience and committed suicide. (Bukhâri)
A valiant fighter, wounded supporting the Muslim nation, wound up in Hell because he committed suicide – against the limits allowed by Allah. No doubt, then, committing suicide to kill innocent people is doubly reprehensible.
3- Stating the fate of an individual
So do not claim yourselves to be pure; He is most knowing of who fears Him. [Sûrat Al-Najm, 53:32]
God promised paradise to war heroes who fight in His cause and die. But here’s the thing; no one can say that any particular individual will receive this honor, because we cannot see into anyone’s heart.
During a just war, under the guidance of the Prophet ﷺ himself, a man was killed. The Companions assumed he was a martyr. However, the Prophet ﷺ said:
Nay, not so. Verily I have seen him in the Fire for the garment that he stole… (Muslim)
Despite this man’s participation in a just cause, he was denied the reward of martyrdom because he unlawfully took something that was not his – again, transgressing the limits allowed by Allow.
The Sober Morality of Islam
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said:
No one of you should wish for death or pray for it before it comes, for when one of you dies, his good deeds come to an end and for the believer a long life will not increase him in anything but good. (Muslim)
In stark contrast to the assumptions made about all religions by atheists like Dawkins, Islam promotes life. It stimulates the individual to genuinely try to be a good person, a force for good in the world; not only in how we pray, but also in the way we treat our families, neighbors and humanity at large.
The sobering knowledge that any of us could very well land in Hell—should inspire caution and humility in us. Rather than wishing for death, we acknowledge its reality and walk a fine line, balanced by fear (khawf) of failure (i.e. Hell-fire), and hope for God’s Mercy and forgiveness.
We are taught to supplicate:
Our Lord, Give us the good of this world and the good of the next, and save us from the punishment of the fire. [Sûrat Al-Baqarah 2:201]
Though Islam includes the belief and aspiration to enter Paradise, we do not feel entitled to it. In fact, we greatly fear missing the mark. Our lives are spent aspiring to and working for the best outcome while taking every precaution to avoid Hell.
It is unfortunate that Atheists ignorantly propagate the fallacy that all religions possess the same concept of Paradise, or that the Islamic concept of salvation could be a dangerous one. No, Paradise is not guaranteed to the individual Muslim, because Islam is devoid of the concept of entitlement—to the point that there are great scholarly debates about whether or not a Muslim can claim that he is a believer, in the sense that he has perfect faith.
483 Comments
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 11:58 amI am a bad Muslim according to the scholars I met in 2005. I love Allah SWT and trust him. It is all I need.
Âbdallāh
April 14, 2016 - 11:59 amyou know, when it comes to Salafis, I’m often met with resentment to the way certain of them (far too many) carry themselves…
Âbdallāh
April 14, 2016 - 12:00 pmbut you & Sh. Akram are honestly the first I’ve ever seen that I agree with, appreciate, & eager to learn from .
Âbdallāh
April 14, 2016 - 12:00 pmAnd by far the both of you are absolutely brilliant in the way that you think. May Allah love you eternally for your works.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 12:01 pmone can pronounce the testimony of faith with his tongue, but the “tongue of his state” (lisaan al-haal) says something entirely different…
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
James Smith
April 14, 2016 - 12:38 pmThanks for this. I am pretty much agnostic with the afterlife thing. I don’t even think about it. I feel that is not what Allah can do for me but rather, what I could do for Him. So, actually feel I’m in line with what was presented in this post.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 1:20 pmThat’s kind of a broad brush the author paints atheists with. I don’t know any atheists who think all religions have the same concept of the afterlife because that’s clearly untrue. In fact, it’s often the differences between religions that lead us to be skeptical. While we’re not all assholes like Richard Dawkins, I will admit there’s a loud and obnoxious contingent of “evangelical” atheists who look down on the religious, and I don’t support that attitude from anyone.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 1:28 pmI was waiting to see what your (or Eileen Corbin Southam’s) take would be. These are automatic posts from one of my employers, and I certainly don’t agree with everything the authors say. But that struck me as a sweeping statement that certainly doesn’t portray a broad group of varied peoples. Writing rule #1 never say always, never, generalize or blanket statements . It should have said some Atheists.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:42 pmHi Elyse, my apologies, I had no intention to paint anyone with a broad brush. That’s why I focussed on Dawkins and his statements. God knows Muslims are often painted with an uncomfortably broad brush and I never would intend to do the same to anyone else. This is an unfortunate mistake on my part and the editors will be correcting it soon God willing. Thank you for drawing attention to it. -Peace :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:49 pmThank you, Danielle, for commenting and clarifying. I hope that I didn’t offend you. To be sure, there are a certain level of assumption an author must make in order to move forward with a thesis. And I know you would never wilfully demonize any group of people.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:52 pmIf I did I’d be terribly hypocritical! I’m not offended at all, I’m happy someone pointed this out now and not later. Insha Allah they will fix it ASAP. :)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 2:53 pmI need to learn some humility from you, dear, mashaAllah. :D
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 2:56 pmLOL you probably wouldn’t have made that mistake in the first place, so no worries. I’m learning from you here. ;)
Elyse Kinder
April 14, 2016 - 2:57 pmI appreciate your response, Danielle! I’m a very “live and let live” person, so I try to show people that not all atheists are condescending jerks like Dawkins. And yes, I do tell the jerky ones to put a sock in it. :-)
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:00 pmDanielle LoDuca I can’t handle how nice you are. Quick, say something mean. ;)
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:27 pmLove it Elyse. ;) your job is similar to mine and Theresa’s then. Lol pleasure to meet you.
Danielle LoDuca
April 14, 2016 - 3:33 pmTheresa Corbin… Umm thanks but probably not totally true. I think you’re painting me with too nice a brush. I’ll try and think of something real mean and let you know. ;)
Gwen Boucher
April 14, 2016 - 3:55 pmTheresa Corbin Atheists who talk about how much they do not believe in God, aren’t.
Theresa Corbin
April 14, 2016 - 3:56 pmhmmm, I am not sure that is true.
Ameenah Aneessa Yasin
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Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:32 pmMuslims aren’t guaranteed Paradise but disbelievers are guaranteed eternal punishment.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Mustafa Mahmud
April 14, 2016 - 9:35 pmIndeed the Sahaba RA feared nifaq which leads to the lowest depth in the fire. May Allah inspire us with this fear until we see the angels.
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Omar Ibrahim
April 14, 2016 - 9:38 pmits a fine line: نفق (nafaqa) means to give out of good will but نافق (nāfaqa) is the treachery of hypocrisy.. to give what cannot be given perhaps
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah. We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.” An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote. This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48]. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285. Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question. 1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66]. 2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
My advice to you is to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
My advice to you is to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Obadiah Timido
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Shahid Li
April 14, 2016 - 11:15 pmMuslims are guaranteed paradise, you clowns…so stop spreading false information (as usual). As long as a Muslim does not commit shirk or any sin to take him/her out of Islam then they are guaranteed paradise. As the ahadith state that if a person has faith equal to even the mustard seed he/she will enter paradise.
What is not guaranteed is that you will enter paradise without going to hell. So although every Muslim with faith will enter paradise, it will be after they have paid for their sins.
Natrah Mohamad
April 15, 2016 - 3:03 amShahid, don’t be harsh.Be gentle. Let them be. They want to exercise mental gymnastic, don’t disturb their fun. :)
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 3:54 amShahid Li – Praise be to Allah.
We should understand properly the general principle concerning this matter, the matter of entering Paradise and spending eternity in Hell. It is a simple matter that is explained in a brief hadeeth that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (135) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
A man came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, what are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable? He said: “Whoever dies not associating anything with Allah will enter Paradise, and whoever dies associating anything with Allah will enter Hell.”
An-Nawawi said: With regard to the words, “What are the two deeds that make entering Paradise or Hell inevitable?” what is meant are the characteristic that makes Paradise inevitable and the characteristic that makes Hell inevitable. End quote.
This hadeeth explains that what makes it inevitable that a person will enter Paradise is if he dies believing in Tawheed, and what makes it inevitable that a person will spend eternity in Hell is if he dies believing in shirk. This is a definitive principle that is well-known and well established in the religion of Islam. There are mutawaatir texts which confirm and affirm it.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” [an-Nisa’ 4:48].
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained, in the hadeeth about intercession, the situation of the sinners in Hell, and he explained that no one will be brought out of Hell except those who died believing in Tawheed and uttered the Shahaadah (testimony of faith), and had in their hearts something of faith: “There will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said, Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of barley. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a grain of wheat. Then there will be brought out of the Fire anyone who said Laa ilaaha ill-Allah (there is no god but Allah) and had in his heart goodness equal to the weight of a small ant.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6861; Muslim, 285.
Based on that, we can find out the situation of those mentioned in the question.
1. If a person fell into major shirk, whether he was originally a mushrik like the Jews, Christians, Buddhists and other types of disbelievers, or he was a Muslim then he apostatised from Islam by falling into major shirk – as mentioned in the question – then his claim to belong to Islam or his having a Muslim name will be of no benefit to him, and neither will any good deeds that he did and so on, if he fell into major shirk and died in that state without having repented.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allahs Messengers) before you: ‘If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers.’ Nay! But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful” [az-Zumar 39:65-66].
2. The one who does not pray at all, either in his house or in the mosque, and does not attend Jumu‘ah or prayers in congregation, has also rendered his good deeds invalid and has falling into kufr by not praying at all. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The covenant that stands between us and them – i.e., the characteristic that separates the Muslims from the disbelievers – is the prayer. Whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi, 2545; an-Nasaa’i, 459. classe
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:38 pmNatrah Mohamad Their lying about my religion, otherwise I wouldn’t care what these deviants did.
Shahid Li
April 15, 2016 - 12:42 pmObadiah Timido Brother, all that you said is easily available knowledge online yet this “salafi” can’t find it and has to resort to lying about Islam (as usual).
I recommend to break up your points, ahadith, and verses into different paragraphs instead of one huge paragraph.
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:35 pmOk
Adil Ansari
April 15, 2016 - 9:40 pmDone
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Reuben Mcintyre
April 15, 2016 - 6:05 amThe Prophet (pbuh) said; ” that we will be help to that which we been destined to”.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:44 amYes…why not…when Allah Himself calls such person Momin who calls Shahada….and it is compulsory for a muslim to be sure that he is a momin……and only momins are going to enter the Paradise on the day of Judgement
Islamwich
April 15, 2016 - 9:36 amNo, not all Muslims are Mumin. Even Muslims in the time of the prophet were told they we not Mumin. It is obligatory, but that doesn’t mean everyone allows faith the enter their hear. And it is not for us to ever say who is and isn’t going to jennah. Those from previous nations of Prophet’s might have called themselves something different (hunafa) but still followed the messengers. Also there are people who never have heard the message, but still meet the requirement of hunafa.
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Misbahul Mustafa Raza
April 15, 2016 - 8:45 amAllah has created the Heavens only for muslim
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
Omar Ibrahim
April 18, 2016 - 5:41 pmoh no
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Whose your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Inge Benemman
April 26, 2016 - 2:35 pmif one is really a salafi, one will not mention mernissi wadud or any other persona who is not upon salafiyya. salafi feminist. change the “salafi ” in the name of your page please.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Inge Benemman
April 26, 2016 - 2:35 pmif one is really a salafi, one will not mention mernissi wadud or any other persona who is not upon salafiyya. salafi feminist. change the “salafi ” in the name of your page please.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Inge Benemman
April 26, 2016 - 2:35 pmif one is really a salafi, one will not mention mernissi wadud or any other persona who is not upon salafiyya. salafi feminist. change the “salafi ” in the name of your page please.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Inge Benemman
April 26, 2016 - 2:35 pmif one is really a salafi, one will not mention mernissi wadud or any other persona who is not upon salafiyya. salafi feminist. change the “salafi ” in the name of your page please.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Inge Benemman
April 26, 2016 - 2:35 pmif one is really a salafi, one will not mention mernissi wadud or any other persona who is not upon salafiyya. salafi feminist. change the “salafi ” in the name of your page please.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Inge Benemman
April 26, 2016 - 2:35 pmif one is really a salafi, one will not mention mernissi wadud or any other persona who is not upon salafiyya. salafi feminist. change the “salafi ” in the name of your page please.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 5:21 pmShahid she deleted our comments meaning she does not want us to comment in any of her postings here hahaa
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 6:10 pmI banned Shahid due to the sheer amount of spam-like comments. In general I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but if they have no intention other than to sit around and slander others by calling them liars or hypocrites, then yes, they will get banned. Have manners or leave (or get banned). It’s as simple as that.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:27 pmTruth hurts for some people..:) i had people calling me names, curse and judge me but i don’t delete their comments. That Oba guy was commenting genuinely putting nicely those supporting hadeeths and their sources. You don’t want your legions of fan and loverboys in here to read them.I don’t think this is about manner, this is about entrapment of ego. You can’t afford to have people singing praises agreeing to you all the time, but dismissed people just because they called you “clowns”. You value freedom of speech as long as it favours you.We should celebrate free-flow of information and diversity of opinion.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 9:32 pmYou clearly haven’t been on my page for very long :)
You can post whatever you like so long as, like I said, it doesn’t devolve into personal accusations or name calling. Carry on.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 9:41 pmWhy would I? To give contribution for your feminism movement? I better not. Whose your shaikh?( I know one of your reference is Amina Wadud and the likes)
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:05 pmWhat? No, I do not accept anything from Amina Wadud. Once again, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make assumptions.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:25 pmOhh ok. Alhamdulillah. Who’s your sheikh?
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 10:40 pmNext time don’t let people “assume” you referenced her although quoted as “rarely” , if rarely refer why would you recommend her works and ideology:) Excerpt from your interview: LB: What would you recommend as a starting place for someone interested in feminism and Islam?
Zainab: Well, it depends on what ‘type’ of feminism/ Islam intersection one is interested in – there is a plethora of resources, books, studies, articles etc. by progressive authors such as Amina Wadud, Fatima Mernissi, Kecia Ali and others on Islam and feminism, but due to certain theological issues and my own orthodox beliefs, I rarely reference them.
The Salafi Feminist
April 18, 2016 - 10:58 pmI make a point of learning from whomever I can, who has evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. I try not to be narrow-minded and shallow.
I never reference Amina Wadud at all, but I have on occasion referenced Kecia Ali and Mernissi simply bc they have certain works with interesting information. One does not need to do taqleed of them simply bc of reading their books.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 11:03 pmYes, absolutely agree with you. But why her name “first” being mentioned in your list of recommendation? People would normally recommend the best influence in one’s life at the very first mention. Why not Saydatina Aisha r.a. , the best reference a muslimah could have. :)
Inge Benemman
April 26, 2016 - 2:35 pmif one is really a salafi, one will not mention mernissi wadud or any other persona who is not upon salafiyya. salafi feminist. change the “salafi ” in the name of your page please.
Natrah Mohamad
April 18, 2016 - 6:20 pmTruth hurts for some people :-)